Frameless Panniers?

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Re: Frameless Panniers?

Post by Pingvin » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:09 pm

Kriega have new (I think) system using a base harness and adding bags to whatever capacity you want, 2x6l, 2x12l or 2x18l so up to 36l plus tail bag if additional space needed. Have some Kriega stuff and very happy so directly on short list :handgestures-thumbup:

https://kriega.com/bikepacks/

EDIT: Oops, see Dragos already mentioned it :facepalm

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Re: Frameless Panniers?

Post by papublic » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:12 pm

HI everyone - I would like to mention some pannier systems I have used, seen or heard of - and come up with a basic checklist to help you to decide.
For some items I refer to a post in the TET FB page - see here https://www.facebook.com/groups/Transeu ... ent_follow
Feel free to contribute of course - hope this helps.

1. First you need to decide wether you want/need/have a carrier system/rack or if you go without one
- a rack is heavy, expensive but might add to the protection of the bike.
- depending on the rack, you might need adapters or similar to fit your pannier system
- there is soft luggage which does not require a rack and then there is soft luggage which does
- soft luggage which does not require a carrier/frame/rack can easily put on another bike
- some examples (I am sure there are more) for manufacturers of soft luggage not requiring a rack:

Ortlieb
- German, mine have lasted for 10 years now. Tough, good size and very good value for money
- use separate top roll of any brand
https://shop.touratech.de/packtaschen-e ... proof.html

Mosko Moto
- US brand, started 2 or 3 years ago - see their thread on ADV rider
- well made and always updated products
- they make bags for frames and without frames
https://moskomotogear.com/products/reckless-80l

21brothers
- Polish brand i believe, recommended by riders on TET FB, good price
- they make bags for frames and without frames
- review http://rtw-adventures.com/motorcycle-so ... iew-1.html
http://www.21brothers.eu/21brothers.eu/ ... lowna.html

Enduristan
- Swiss brand, well known and proven in europe at least
- use separate top roll of any brand
http://www.enduristan.com/de/produkte/m ... schen.html

X-Country
- Polish brand, recommended by riders on TET FB, good value for money
- not sure about how they mount to the bike, some without frame, but you might need a harness (e.g. Motonaut, Green Chile - see links below)
http://www.xcountry.pl/index.php/en/

Crosso
- Polish brand specializing in bicycle bags, good price
- recommended by riders on TET FB, you might build something using these
https://www.szumgum.com/sakwy-rowerowe- ... s-kpl.html

Giant Loop
- US brand, well made
- they make bags for frames and without frames
http://www.giantloopmoto.com/product-ca ... g-systems/

AltRider
- US brand
http://www.altrider.com/de/product/category/cid/16

Kriega
- UK brand, many versions
- recommended by riders on TET FB
https://kriega.com/bikepacks

Wolfman
- US brand, many versions
- recommended by riders on TET FB
- they make bags for frames and without frames
https://wolfmanluggage.com/collections/enduro-bags

Motonaut
- Swedish brand
- a harness which allows you to basically strap any bag to any bike - without frame
http://motonaut.com/web/product/motonaut-extreme-basic/

Green Chile
- US brand
- a harness which allows you to basically strap any bag to any bike - without frame
https://greenchileadv.com/collections/adventure-touring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPpLWh7I0GA


2. Do you want a '1 bag system' with maybe 3 inner bags - or saddle bags with separate/no top roll - both without frame
- typical examples for 1 bag systems (call them tubes) are 21brothers, Giant Loop, Mosko Moto and many more. Refer to links above
- example http://www.21brothers.eu/21brothers.eu/Rogal_30L.html

- typical examples for saddle bags with separate/no top roll are Ortlieb, Kriega, Wolfman and many more. Refer to links above
- example https://shop.touratech.de/packtaschen-e ... proof.html

- a hybrid of the 2 above is the Mosko Moto 'Reckless 40L, 80L - you can put anything under what they call 'beavertail'
https://moskomotogear.com/products/reckless-80l

3. Do you believe in '1 outer skin' does it all (abrasion and waterproofing), or do you prefer strong outer skin/layer bag with a separate inner bag
- if you only have 1 outer skin which needs to do it all - abrasion resistance AND waterproofing - that skin is more likely to fail, get your stuff wet
- if the outer skin only needs to be strong and offer resistance to abrasion, the inner waterproof bag is less bound to fail, keeping your stuff dry
- the outer skin is easier to fix if you dont have to worry about waterproofing it
- I personally often wished for inner dry/waterproof bags, because dragging your dirty/wet soft luggage into the hotel room - or even worse tent - is a pain
- simply take out clean/dry bags from your filthy soft luggage and if the location permits, leave the outer bags on the bike. Very convenient.
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Re: Frameless Panniers?

Post by WillS » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:21 pm

Can really recommend the Kriega Overlander Panniers, used them on the RB 1 in the Pyrenees on the CRF250L.
Excellant Quality, easy to fit and remove, never got in the way siting or standing.

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Re: Frameless Panniers?

Post by dragos » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:47 pm

papublic wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:12 pm
Feel free to contribute of course - hope this helps.
XCountry has rackless bags (Enduro) and rack based ones (Taiga).
Kriega are from UK.
Motonaut are from Sweden.
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Re: Frameless Panniers?

Post by papublic » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:23 pm

dragos wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:47 pm
papublic wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:12 pm
Feel free to contribute of course - hope this helps.
XCountry has rackless bags (Enduro) and rack based ones (Taiga).
Kriega are from UK.
Motonaut are from Sweden.
Thanks dragos, updated the post!
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Re: Frameless Panniers?

Post by dirtracer14R » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:33 pm

Paul C wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:45 pm
Saw the Mosko system at the NEC bike show. Looked good.
I was fortunate enough to get to ride Ecuador out of the Ecuador Freedom Bike Rental shop ( www.freedombikerental.com )The 690R that I rode came well equipped with Mosko Moto Reckless 80L bags. I was so impressed I immediately ordered my own upon returning to the states. Additionally, of the ten guys that did the trip SIX did the same. I love the quality and versatility of the Reckless system. Mosko Moto is trying to make their products shipping cost less of an obstacle to potential customers outside the USA. Please contact them if you are interested. Tiffany and Ashley are both amazing in their ability to make things happen!

www.moskomotogear.com
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Re: Frameless Panniers?

Post by ndwedwe » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:18 am

Papublic, that's an amazing list, thanks. it should be a sticky!
I bought the enduristan, very well made but yet to test it.
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Re: Frameless Panniers?

Post by trninka » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:36 am

There are some new panniers from Givi. GRT708. I have not seen them yet, but they look promising.

https://www.givi.co.uk/soft-bags/Saddle%20Bags/GRT708

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Re: Frameless Panniers?

Post by dragos » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:15 am

trninka wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:36 am
There are some new panniers from Givi. GRT708. I have not seen them yet, but they look promising.
I have not seen those, but I have the tail bag from the same series: https://www.givi.co.uk/soft-bags/Others/GRT707
It was cheap and it's nice, but compared to stuff from Enduristan or Kriega, the material is very thin. It doesn't look as durable and heavy duty.
But for the price is absolutely OK.
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Re: Frameless Panniers?

Post by trninka » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:10 pm

dragos wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:15 am
trninka wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:36 am
There are some new panniers from Givi. GRT708. I have not seen them yet, but they look promising.
I have not seen those, but I have the tail bag from the same series: https://www.givi.co.uk/soft-bags/Others/GRT707
It was cheap and it's nice, but compared to stuff from Enduristan or Kriega, the material is very thin. It doesn't look as durable and heavy duty.
But for the price is absolutely OK.
Anyway we (three teneres, crf250x and my klx250) are planning to do the Greek TET (parts of it), so I needed panniers. At the end I decided to make my own soft rack and to attach 2x15l drybags on it. Also I will put one big 60l drybag on top, Givi Tankbag (EA110B), Accerbis front fender tool bag, and a tube tool box (I have not decided where to put it yet, maybe on the skid plate).

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So if someone needs help about DIY rack, let me know, I will try to help.
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